Berry believes that human beings possess intrinsic values ​​and that everything we do is through and for God. He states, “We will find that Creation is in no sense independent of the creator, the result of a primordial creative act now concluded long ago, but it is the continuous, constant participation of all creatures in the being of God." (97) Heschel on the other hand talks about how being human means having problems. He recognizes man's imperfections and talks about how anyone who says they don't have problems is an "idiot." Heschel appeals to the human sense in his argument and, unlike Berry, does not directly refer to a higher power. I am on Heschel's side because he highlights the imperfections of man and through this morality man shows his true being. Mortality is at the heart of being human because even though we come from a mortal being, that does not make us mortal. As humans we are born with imperfections and Heschel accepts and embraces this in his definition of what it means to be human. Once we understand both Heschel and Berry's definitions of what it means to be human, we can begin to delve deeper into why they both place great emphasis on man in the destruction of Christianity and humanity.